The digital doctor in your pocket

Tyler Smith: [00:00:00] As you get older, you get frail. There’s folks that you can see that are thriving at 100, and there’s folks that you’re like, that’s not what I want to be when I’m 100. So for me, I want to have a stake and a kettlebell chasing my kids, grandkids. That’s to me the dream. Like, how cool is that?

Peter Bowes: [00:00:21] Tyler Smith is the founder of hundred, a new longevity platform which aims to help people measure, understand and improve their biological age using rigorous testing and personalized interventions. Hello again. Welcome to the lifelong podcast I’m Peter Bowes. This is where we explore the science and stories behind human longevity. Tyler, it’s good to talk to you.

Tyler Smith: [00:00:45] Thank you. Excited to be here.

Peter Bowes: [00:00:46] It’s a great name and it’s self-explanatory.

Tyler Smith: [00:00:49] Yeah, yeah, it’s, I can tell you a lot of other names that we thought. And then my, my CMO and I got together and he goes, I’ve got it. We loved the name behind it. We have a lot of significance behind it. Obviously people want to live great to 100. but also you do. We do a lot of things in bite sized pieces. We have 100 day protocol which plays into it as well. you know, and it’s some it’s scary because, you know, as technology and science evolves, is 100s name going to feel outdated and should it be 200 or 110 or 130 or 140? And we just think it’s the right place at the right time with the great product. Yeah.

Peter Bowes: [00:01:29] So let’s break it down and go back to basics in terms of what you’re trying to achieve. Before we do that, just tell me a little bit about yourself and your life and career education to this point. What has enthused you about biological age in particular? Where have you come from?

Tyler Smith: [00:01:45] Yeah, I feel like every you know, as I every year I do a little assessment on myself. And so my 20s was all about real estate. I did really well in my 20s on real estate.Back then it was, how do I be the best realtor and help people achieve their financial dream of buying buying a home. So I did that for ten years. I was number three in California. You know, number nine throughout the United States. And I did really well. And I took that and saw a very big need of something that was happening offline, real estate. And I wanted to bring that online. And so I built in my 30s, a B2B, Proptech, SaaS platform. So we serve, you know, 900,000 Realtors manage two thirds of all real estate transactions in North America. and I ended up selling that to Fidelity. And, that was great. And that was the end of my kind of 30s. And I was just turning 39, newly married, uh, just having our first child, which 39, a little bit older that term. I’m thinking in my head, I’m having a daughter who’s going to be a little older. So I started to think about life probably a lot differently than I’ve ever thought about it before. How old my daughter going to be when she’s driving, you know, when she graduates. What’s life like? When my wife and I have were empty nesters and so I took this biological age test and I’m like, I’m gonna crush this thing, you know? Me and a couple friends did it, like, I’m. I’m doing great, I feel amazing. You know, I look good in my head. Like I’m going to do great, like. And I’m a little competitive. And so we do this and it says I was 47. So one I was like, wow. You know, that was way off. What I thought was happening is wrong. But the second thing was my dad died at the age of 47. So from a heart attack. So mentally it hit me in a much different way. It was much more impactful than just a number. And so, I went all in. And so that’s kind of where it started. On my 39th kind of birthday, I took this test, said I was much older, and that’s really where all of this came from. And I’m now 41. So, you know, it’s only a couple of years later. but that’s really where it started.

Peter Bowes: [00:03:45] And let’s just break down what biological age actually is. It’s not your chronological age. It’s essentially a reflection of how well your body is aging.

Tyler Smith: [00:03:56] Yeah. I mean, biological age reflects your body’s actual, you know, how well it’s functioning. You know it’s not how long you’ve lived. So it’s really the cells and how they’re aging at 100. We use a one of many clocks, and there’s several different clocks out there. And look, for the record, I’ll say like, look, every clock is different. There’s clocks that are old, there’s clocks that are new. There’s now things that measure your biological, you know, noise in your body. And I think these will advance as technology advances and science advances. I look at this as just a look under the hood of how you’re how you’re dealing. And I’ve done all the tests. I’ve done every single one out there. The great thing about them is they all go up and down within their own algorithm, or how they’re scientifically method is done. the same, which is great, but they’re all very different. And so I look at this as a way to really just see what’s happening underneath, and, and, and understand what’s happening. Like, is it going up or is it going down? You know what I mean? It’s not something you obsess or pay attention to in depth, like a Fico score. You’re not looking at your Fico score every day, you know what I mean? but you do want to use it as a measurement of how you’re doing for your, your your credit, if that makes sense.

Peter Bowes: [00:05:07] And is it possible relatively simply to explain how it determines your biological age? Because as you’ve simply just described, there are several tests out there on the market and they all tend to produce slightly different results. So what exactly? From the very simple process that you go through to provide something of yourself. What are they measuring?

Tyler Smith: [00:05:29] Yeah, there’s every test is a little bit different. But let’s just break down a couple. Methylation. So I invested early on before I even got before I even started 100 into a company that does DNA methylation tests and they take a cheek swab. and what they do is they send it in, they extract it down to the DNA methylation level. And that’s how I’m aging on a cellular cellular level. And that could be a lot of things from lifestyle, right. So lifestyle changes. There’s other folks that take full on blood vials, and what they do is they do things down to a much more cellular level as well. For us, at 100, we use what’s already been established out there,a phenotypic age. And what we do is we take biomarkers from, you know, the inflaming side to liver. And there’s nine of those. And then what we do is it’s available to the public. You can take that down and put it into an algorithm, and it’ll tell you what your biological age versus your chronological age. So again, this isn’t some proprietary, you know, data set that we’re using. we’re using what’s already been proven out there based upon science. And by the way, science is always changing. So these clocks will consistently be changed and updated.

Peter Bowes: [00:06:39] And the value of knowing is and you’ve implied this is knowing and being able to compare yourself with yourself. It’s interesting to compare yourself with a large data set of the rest of the population, but ultimately what matters is comparing yourself yesterday to day tomorrow, and relating that to the lifestyle that you lead, and especially the lifestyle interventions that you apply to yourself to try to improve your health as you go.

Tyler Smith: [00:07:06] Yeah. So what what we think about it 100 is what are the things that you’re doing to improve your goals. Everyone has different goals. Our mission is to achieve your GOAT greatest health of all time. Everyone’s greatest health of all time is different. So for example, for me I want to dunk like LeBron LeBron right. Okay. That’s one of mine. My mom wants to go up and down the stairs to chase her grandkids. My CMO wants to snowboard for two more hours. So everyone has a different way that they think about health and achieving their GOAT and their greatest health of all time. And so you should think of diet, right? Diet nutrition is a huge, impactful place of that. And your biological age sleep, which is I used to think sleep was a joke. I can operate at such a high level with sleep, but you have sleep and you have lifestyle changes as well. and so all of those things play a very big part into how your biological age is changes over time. But also there’s, there’s, you know, supplementation as well. We’re all, you know, have have deficiencies in a lot of different supplements, as you know. And so it takes into consideration all of those. But what we do is we give you a 100 day protocol on how to really not only reverse that, but also how to get all the biomarkers that are out of range into range.

Peter Bowes: [00:08:23] So let’s break it down in terms of the practicality of using 100. And you’re a brand new platform. You’ve been testing this with some individuals so far. First of all, what sort of results have you had from those people that you’ve been working with right now? And then for someone starting from scratch with you, what do they do and what can they expect?

Tyler Smith: [00:08:43] Yeah. So let’s first start with a couple of different facts. Like, look, 1 in 5 Americans get an annual physical. That’s just true. The second is when you go to the doctor your senior doctor, in less than 20 minutes. And so those are two problems right there. And so when you think about what Hundred offers we kind of take that to a completely different level. One we start with an in-depth onboarding process, lifestyle, family history, goals, both short term and long term. And then we do a full integration with a lot of your medical records. So all of your existing medical records, we integrate, we pull all of that into the system. So that’s one. We then tie your wearables, which is a big key thing. I think a lot of places we’re missing, they were missing even when I went through my transformation. We tie in your apple, your apple, your watch, your Oura ring, your whoop, your Garmin, peloton, Strava, all of those we tie into. And then from there we do your blood work and we do a very comprehensive blood panel twice a year. And we partner with over 6000 labs. And you can go to one of our labs and you can get your blood done. You can also, have somebody come directly to your house as well, or your business, at your convenience. And once we have all that data, we start to create a clear 100 day protocol. So not only do we just say, here’s your results, which I think a lot of people do is say, here’s your results. But a lot of our patients are like, wait, what do we do with this? And so we’ve built a 100 day protocol that breaks down what to eat, what to avoid, what supplements to take, how you should train, but also why it matters. So not just here’s your results. Do these things. Why does this matter? We give them back the information of how we’ve determined this. And so that’s what we do starting out right away. And it’s all mobile. We believe that everyone should have a doctor in their pocket. So imagine that a doctor in your pocket that you trust, that has all of your medical information that knows what you’re doing for activity from sleep to exercise. What type of exercise? that’s at your beck and call 24 hours a day, seven days a week, you know. And that’s through our mobile app in your pocket. I mean, that’s what people really want, you know?,

Peter Bowes: [00:10:51] So it’s all mobile. Perhaps with the exception that in terms of the physicality of providing blood and as you say, you could possibly go to somewhere to produce the blood. You could have someone come to you, but otherwise it’s an entirely remote process, the gathering of information about you.

Tyler Smith: [00:11:07] Correct. Yeah, yeah. So we tie into all the third parties, whether you use them or not, at minimal. Get your steps for the wearables, but you should think of your sleep. You know your weight, you know your continuous glucose monitor, the types of workouts you’re doing, the strains that you have within those workouts, all of that’s pulled in your existing medical history. So any type of surgeries or prescriptions that you were on, we feed that in. And we’re doing that because you can imagine, one, most doctors aren’t getting all of that information, but two, they’re not utilizing it when they’re seeing their patients. And so we do all of that, through technology but able to serve it back to you so you understand it so you can see what’s happening from a lot of different data pieces.

Peter Bowes: [00:11:54] And to what extent do you need to have these apps or some of these apps that you mentioned, whether it’s an Oura Ring or an Apple Watch or the other kinds of devices that that people own? Obviously there’s no one who has everything, and I assume you don’t need to have everything. Is there a minimum kind of requirement in terms of the technology level that you’re already at?

Tyler Smith: [00:12:16] Yeah, no there’s not. I mean, like my mom’s a great example. She has steps because her iPhone does her steps. That’s like the minimum that that we get on a patient. As far as wearables, your existing medical history, we get all of that. And some of these platforms provide a lot. Some don’t provide a lot. It just depends. but you really there’s no requirement, at all. What we have found is a lot of our first cohort, these folks have gone to our marketplace and wanted to get wearables and go, look, I even want I like what you’re telling me, but I even want to go more in depth. Or I want to get a smart scale because I want to weigh myself and I want to see what that plays into it. So what we’re finding is folks that only have steps through their their iPhone, they want more items because I think, as you know, you go to a gym, you start working out, you got your Rocky music on, you’re feeling good, and now you’re into it and you’re starting to make changes and see changes in your life. And so you want to double down and get more treatments, or you want to get more analytics, or you want to measure things more, you know, how am I sleeping? I need to measure it first. And so what we’re finding is folks are purchasing, different things, but none of this is required at all. At minimum, we’ll get steps. And for 18% of our first cohort, that’s all we have. All we have is the steps as far as the wearables.

Peter Bowes: [00:13:33] And once you’ve provided as much information as you can, how is it processed? Is this purely AI? Is there a doctor involved? Is there a human to human contact? And in terms of the discussion that follows, How does that side of it work?

Tyler Smith: [00:13:50] Yeah. So we don’t we don’t have a doctor that is involved. So there’s no like what we’re doing face to face. we believe the four corners of a wall will exist, but for very different reasons. In the future, we think that you’ll go to a doctor when you have real illness. Real disease? a surgery, you need some sort of true care. from from a physical perspective, there’s no doctor that can, at scale, understand you as an individual in the time length that they’re given, with the, with the data that they have in front of them. And what’s great about 100 is we have all of that. We have all of your biomarkers comprehensive. We have a full genome sequence. We have your wearables, what type of activities and workouts and sleep, but at minimum, your steps. We can kind of get a gauge at how active you are based upon that and then any other existing history from you personally or from family. We have all of that. And so when you serve that up to a patient. what’s really great is the type of information we’re able to give them on themselves, is quite, quite in-depth. as far as a a human doctor, we will have a network where you can talk to a doctor if you have a real issue or a challenge, but that is not what what Hundred will do. Hundred will be fully AI, but, with a lot of baseline, levels. We’ve just made an acquisition with BellSant. BellSant is a company that, has over 25 professors. Stanford from Stanford, Columbia, also PhDs from Harvard, Johns Hopkins Institute, specialists in genomics, sleep specialists, biology specialists. And what we’ve done is we’ve taken a lot of what BellSant built out, which was originally for the Johns Hopkins Institute, and taken that curriculum. And they have peer to peer reviews as well. So we’re able to put some real human in the loop for our training, which has been great, but there will not be a doctor just because we believe it will happen outside the four walls. You will only go in the four walls if something is is truly needed for true disease. I think we’re in a world today where it’s literally impossible to know everything about yourself, but how your doctor would know anything about you. Great example, our patient 001 went through our platform. This guy’s the CEO of a publicly traded company. you know, very, very into, functional medicine, his health, and says, look, I’m going to see my functional doctor. I can’t wait to go see him. I said, it’s awesome. And inside of our app, what’s great is we even have the section that says, what would my doctor say? So you can go through there. And, one, we ended up having a conversation with his doctor because his doctor admitted, like, look, I for me, I’m seeing you for 30 minutes. But yeah, I haven’t looked at. I’ve looked at your blood. I’ve did a little bit of charting, you know, but I haven’t looked at what your protocols been. I’m not really looking at what you. And this is like. He’s spending $25,000 a year for this. Now he’s getting good. Good? In his mind. He’s getting really good. He’s he’s got someone who’s great, who’s giving him great advice. And that’s telling him the things to do. And he he feels safe. But to the depth that we can go when we have a comprehensive blood panel, which was more than what his concierge doctor was doing, his full genome sequence, which was more than his full doctor, was doing history, him and his family that his doctor had only had portions of. Also short term and long term goals for this individual. The amount of data that is when you tie in previous health records and wearables, it’s just it’s too hard for a human to consume. That’s the first problem, let alone a busy, physician or doctor. And it’s not their fault either. So I want to make sure I’m clear on that. We are at a really great place, I think, in the world to be alive, where you’re able to consume large quantities of data and then compare that against folks that are your age. And we got a lot of that we were already building and we were we were really close. you know, before we launched him, we were close to having that done. With even the acquisition of BellSant, we’re able to actually even go deeper. and with that research. And so what we’re able to feed back to the patient in this case is one really clear, which is the problem. It’s like, how do you help someone understand it? That’s the number one thing. But two, how do you go in depth. And then three how do you give them something. The tools with an action plan behind it, a protocol. And we do everything in 100 days. so it’s bite sized pieces, like if you give someone an annual plan. I think we all know this January 1st starts. You’re at the gym. Day seven is like annual quit day. And then by the end of January, 43% of people are, like, completely done because they don’t have specific Goals. And so we do that for our patients. And so yeah, I think having this data only allows us to do that. Without it, I think we’d have a product that didn’t have true utility.

Peter Bowes: [00:18:53] So explain to me how the the plan unfolds for someone who shares their information. It’s analyzed what happens next in terms of that person’s lifestyle and what happens next in terms of retesting to follow progress?

Tyler Smith: [00:19:08] Yeah, Hundred provides two testing. You get two tests with the membership and we are going to see our, our patients testing no sooner than 100 days, but no later.

Peter Bowes: [00:19:19] And it’s an annual membership?

Tyler Smith: [00:19:21] Correct. It’s an annual membership in, you know, $499. So less than $1.37 a day or less than $20 per pay period. Like it’s very affordable to back up a little bit because I think it’s important, you know, the reason why 100 exists today is I hired the best doctors out there. I went through the best programs out there, spent hundreds of thousands of dollars. I was fortunate to have some success. And by the way, I had a really good reason why. Like, my dad died at 47. It says, I’m 47, I’m having children later, like I really want to be preventative. And so I did everything that you can think of. and that there was one of the problems is I wasn’t ill. I was definitely inflamed. My biomarkers were out of whack. I was sleeping four and a half, five hours a day, by the way, priding myself on sleep, on the lack thereof sleep and how I’m able to perform at a high level like that was my my thing. Like, guys, I can operate at such a high level with very little sleep, you know? Lo and behold, you know, how I felt was not really what was happening on the inside of me. And so, you know, we don’t want to build 100 for the 1%, you know, the for the Tylers we want to build it for the 99% of people. And that’s why we’ve made it really affordable for $199, you know, less than $1.37 a day. You know, you know, less than $20 a pay period, really less than a coffee. Not only that, to make it really easy to understand and to do it all with actual items behind it. And that’s where the 100 day plan comes in. and so when you think about it, it first starts with supplementation. You know, it’s funny, we have so many folks who don’t take any supplements. Then you have the camp of I take supplements, but I don’t know why I take them or what they do for me. Right. And then you have folks that are like, great, here, the supplements I take and I do them because my wife or spouse told me to take them. Right. And so you have these three camps that I think it’s like they’re supplementing for the sake of supplementing. So our 100 day protocol breaks down supplementation first, first and foremost. And we get down to the exact dosage vitamin D, two omegas to magnesium, you name it. So everyone has their own personalized plan on supplementation. We then break down diet and nutrition. So foods to eat, foods to avoid. And these foods when you click on the protocol it doesn’t just say eat zinc rich foods. It’ll say here’s zinc rich foods. Here’s why you should be eating them. Here’s the biomarkers that it should impact. It should positively impact for you. And so we make it very clear of like we’re not telling you to eat these foods just to eat them. We’re telling you to really help for you to think about what your GOAT is, what your greatest health of all time is, what you told us, what you want to achieve in your goals and where you’re you’re out of range on things. The third is on exercise. Like we have to be very clear with exercise is part of the program and everyone’s going to have a different plan. My mom, we’re not going to tell her to go do crazy hit classes with burpees. And like everyone has different goals. And so we take in a lot of information. So we have an exercise engine, that looks at where the patient’s at age wise right to where they’re currently at physicality wise. Three any type of information we get from their wearables. So if it’s just steps, all we have is steps, right? If they have more, we can see sleep. We can see their recovery. We can see what type of workouts they’re currently doing. We then look at their short term and long term goals. And then what we do is we take a lot of data and science and literature to then come up with a protocol on what they should be doing from a, for, for their workouts. And so, you know, we don’t want to just give back results. We want to make sure that they have the results, and they now have something they can take and follow and do and put into practice. And what’s really great about our protocols, we tell them, here’s what you you should see in the next 30 days, in the next 100 days. So now what we tell them, these are the positive impacts that you should see so that they have a motivation to do it. And what we’re finding as we’re just coming in our first cohort is like they’re like, great, I see these things. I feel these things. Hey, I haven’t felt this yet. Or hey, I want to retest because I want to see if this is like, you know, improving the way that it should. So we’re finding that our first cohort wants to even test more than, than the recommendation, which is totally fine because they just they want to be there that more preventative. Right. They want to they’re in the thick of it with their health, and they’re just really excited to to to be on this journey.

Peter Bowes: [00:23:44] How can the users of the platform have the confidence, the full confidence that they need to trust the action plan?

Tyler Smith: [00:23:54] That’s a that’s a great question.

Peter Bowes: [00:23:55] In other words, people are instinctively skeptical, especially of new things where they’ve previously trusted their personal physician, their doctor. After that 1 to 1 conversation. This is a very different world. So can we trust the kind of advice that we’re getting that is in large part generated through AI?

Tyler Smith: [00:24:13] Yeah. Well, this is not like a ask ChatGPT and get an answer. So I think that’s where a lot of folks may think AI and go, oh, well, I could just upload this into ChatGPT and ask it a question. And those can be very further from the truth. What we do on our 100 day protocols, the moment we serve this up to you on your mobile app, we walk you through in a conversational type approach. that’s been very, very thought through on how we’re coming to this determination. So we first set you up for. Hey, tackling something over time takes time. And we want to break this down to bite sized pieces for you. And so the way that we’ve designed this is really clear. That’s number one. But number two is once we serve you up the actual protocol, we then allow you to see how we’ve come up with this. And we can tell you from intake from family history, we can tell you from what you’re currently achieving, what your goals are, why we’ve suggested the foods, what biomarkers those are literally going to contribute to. So we break down the science, for them in a really easy way to understand. We source obviously everything of how we’ve come up with that. but we want to be very intentional with how we’ve come up with this. And we let the patients in this case that want to go in depth and see, they can see how you’ve determined this. They can click on that and they can read through exactly how we’ve come up with this and see how it’s science backed, the literature behind it, the sourcing behind it, etc..

Peter Bowes: [00:25:38] Would you advise and have people asked you this already? People to basically run it by my doctor. So yes, we’ve shared this information. We have this master plan, but just for peace of mind, perhaps even more than peace of mind for a second opinion, should my doctor be involved in the process?

Tyler Smith: [00:25:58] Yeah, I think people are going to do that by human nature, no doubt. especially if they’re coming to us for to try to cure something or they, they feel a certain way. We have a section in there that says, what would my doctor say? And we put it, put information in there on exactly what you would expect. So we definitely know that’s going to be what people do. We don’t advise against it. and we are going to see a lot of folks that will bring that to their primary care physician if they have one and say, hey, I want to know, should I be thinking about these supplements? You know, what are the benefits of them? You should think about the future of 100. Where why can’t I just call and talk to my doctor through Hundred. Or why can’t I ask a question at midnight when I’m up thinking about something that relates to health on a supplement, or a new intervention, or a new therapy, and ask and ask it. Not in general, but ask it knowing that Hundred knows all of my family history. It knows all of my diagnostics that I’ve done. It knows my exercise and my sleep and my HRV. And it knows all of this. So it’s not going to just ask it as if, should I take this, this or try this product? It’s going to take it into consideration with all of your information. So I believe that people are going to do that. But I believe the future is where people will just trust the doctor in their pocket, and they’ll go to the four cornered walls when they have true illness.

Peter Bowes: [00:27:20] Do you think people are ready for the level of diligence that they need? In other words, the attention to detail, because there’s this is a two way process, and there’s a lot of information that needs to be shared from the user, and that has to be consistent and accurate information and honest information. And I think as we know, people are always honest about their own health. But to make this work, there’s got to be 100% honesty. And in terms of the sharing of that information, it has to be consistent. And that’s the only way you can get accurate results, isn’t it? Because if you if you skirt around corners, if you try to make the process a little bit easier on yourself, maybe because of a lack of 100% commitment to it, it’s never going to work.

Tyler Smith: [00:28:05] Yeah. So it’s the question more for the user or how we think about it at 100.

Peter Bowes: [00:28:09] Well, I think for the user, in terms of your confidence in the user to be 100% committed to this, because if you as the provider, want to provide the most accurate results and a framework for a plan that you can, you need that two way process, don’t you? You need the user to be as committed as as you are.

Tyler Smith: [00:28:30] Oh, absolutely. I mean, we believe that people are coming to us because they’re they want to understand their health. They want to know, like people always have something that happens in life that changes what they want to do. For me, it was I turned 47 when I was turning 39. In my head, that was what it was for several of our cohort. One, it’s if I lived to 100, I will. They’re thinking about life differently. I think Covid really changed, a lot for the world. And I think people want to take back control of their own health. from a small scale of just, I want to test and just know that I’m, I feel great and I’m not. I want to be a little bit preventative all the way to I want to do full body MRIs and I want to be very in depth. So I think you’re going to see that the 100 day protocols designed really? we hired this this behavioral psychologist who came in and helped us think, how do you really keep folks engaged? But how do you make sure that they’re getting value, but something that they can follow and not drop off? I think we all know this. We want to go to the gym. We got the Rocky music, we got the new Alo outfit on, and we go. And we’re working out hard and the week goes by and two weeks go by. And I miss a day. And I miss a week. And guess what happens? I now miss the month. And if I have an annual goal, I can get back on two, three, four months from now because it’s an annual goal. So we’ve used a lot of psychology here on 100 days, how to keep them engaged, how to make it a two way relationship. Here are the things based on your goals that you set, not us. Based on what you want to achieve, where you are with your life. Whether it be my mom who’s who’s in retirement wants to be around for grandkids or or someone who’s just, you know, in their young 20s that just wants to make sure they’re healthy to maybe start their new business. And so we meet them where they’re at. But it’s a two way street. So we’re constantly checking in. We’re constantly giving them information and nudges of what’s happening within their body. What are the things they should be paying attention to, what are the foods they should be paying attention to, why they should be paying attention to those foods and always relating it back to their goals. This isn’t Hundreds goals. This is really their goals and for their personalized protocol. And every protocol is completely different.

Peter Bowes: [00:30:43] Is it possible to have too much information about yourself so that there’s so much data, so much information that is being analyzed, that something could be seen that can lead you down a rabbit hole? That actually is something that you needn’t worry about and actually doesn’t influence your health. And I know this is a big issue with you’ve mentioned full body MRIs, for example. That’s a whole different kettle of fish, but it’s something that is widely criticized through simply having so much data about yourself.

Tyler Smith: [00:31:13] Yeah, yeah, that’s a good question. I’ll give you a personal story on how my mind shifted on conviction for this from a personal side. And then I’ll give you a more pragmatic side of from the data side. So I’m in a YPO group and, it’s young professionals group. It’s it’s entrepreneurs. Everyone owns a business and we’re we got a new location for our normal forum. We’re going to a forum and we’re like, oh, I’ve been to this house. Where are we going? And it’s kind of hush hush. Nobody knows. It’s like, okay, we’re going to this. And we go to this, this house. And, and they publicly opened that. I can share this. So I’m not breaking confidentiality. Right. And we always want to make sure we’re doing that. And we go to this and it’s one of our, our chapter form mates. And he doesn’t look well at all. And he says look, I’m here to experience, share something I wish I would have done and things I should have done, but they’ve given me ten days to live. So right away it’s like, whoa. I mean, the entire everything changed. And he felt something in his body but didn’t do anything. And lo and behold, he has pancreatic cancer and it’s spreading very, very quickly. And one of my form mates said, you know, when I die, I just want to die. There’s false negatives if it’s in my brain. And he said, you know, that’s selfish thinking because now as I can’t cure this and I can’t do anything, I can’t leave it on a plane. And he goes, and I have all the money in the world, like he sold several successful businesses. He’s got everything on that side. He said, it’s selfish thinking because I could have seen something and prevented it. And so I think about, okay, there’s I don’t want to know anything. So why do these to okay, let’s say I get some sort of information that comes back, I now have something I can do and I get it, I get some people go, well, now I’m going to go down the rabbit hole. And maybe it’s, it’s nothing, but it shows that it’s something. Well, get a second opinion, you know, get a third opinion. I think the alternative to me for Tyler is just a lot for if I think about goals and what I want to achieve in life is just, I would I would take the latter. I would want to, you know, get tested. And if I found something When you say, is there too much information? Absolutely. I think there can be. but I think I wouldn’t rather I’d rather test than guess. Guess that I’m okay. Guess that things are going well. Guess that. Look, things are feeling fantastic. Why would I ever get testing? And so that’s that’s my personal stance on it. But I mean, look, technology is improving. This is going to be the future.

Peter Bowes: [00:33:52] On your website. You pose a question just talking more broadly. Now, if I live to 100 I will. Yeah. What’s your answer to that.

Tyler Smith: [00:34:03] So on the fun side I want to be lifting heavy, chasing my daughters kids, probably dragging, you know, someone to a cold plunge before breakfast. But really, when I think about it, it’s like, give me a kettlebell and a stake. And I want to be, like, walking really, really quickly. You know, as you get older, you get frail. And so when you think about like, truly 100, you’re like, there’s folks that you can see that are thriving at 100. And there’s folks that you’re like, that’s not what I want to be when I’m 100. You know, so for me, I want to. I want to have a stake and a kettleball chasing my kids, grandkids. That’s to me the dream. Like, how cool is that? To be alive in the world and be able to do that at scale. Now, there’s other things of like, okay, well, what trips do I want to go on? I think about like where I’ll be at that time in my life and hopefully I’ll have experienced all the trips that I want. But really it’s to be with family, because at that age, I’m probably getting towards the end of my life.

Peter Bowes: [00:34:58] Exactly. And you’ve just summed it up very nicely there. Look, I’m going to put all the details that you’ve just talked about into the show notes for this episode, and you very kindly offered a discount for listeners, viewers to this podcast. And as I say, if you dive into the website, you can get those details. And I’m also going to follow your program myself because I am, I think, as any regular listener viewer of this podcast will know, I’m quite fascinated by this, this whole new world that we’re living in where we have access to data, and we can use that data for our own positive benefits and our own health. So I’m going to follow and hopefully talk to you again in the future and experience the process. Experience. I guess you tell me what I can expect. The highs, the lows, the good, the bad, the ugly. If I’m entirely honest about my health and my involvement with this process, I’m just curious what you think the journey over the next few months will be like for me, or indeed anyone contemplating doing this because it won’t always be rosy, will it? There’ll be some harsh truths. There’ll be some difficult truths, perhaps involved in the data for us to acknowledge and to address.

Tyler Smith: [00:36:10] Yeah. I mean, absolutely. I think the first part is you’re going to get information that you, you most likely didn’t have prior. And I think that’s the best thing. You know, if you look, I’m sitting I have a 71 Bronco behind me. I’ve got more data on that vehicle there than I did when I was turning 39 on my own self. I’m a guy who looks at P&Ls financial data -data – AWS, like a datadog data. I’m looking at data all day long as an entrepreneur. Financials all the way to the milliseconds of the marketing side of things. It’s great. I have dashboards for everything. I have a dashboard that tells me how fast I’m going. Do I need gas? Do I need oil? Is it overheating? But I don’t have that on my own self, my own body. And it’s crazy to think about that in a world that we’re in today. And that’s a 71 Bronco. You go to a Tesla, it’s a whole nother, whole nother thought process of the data that you get when you’re driving that. And so why wouldn’t we have a version of that on ourselves. And so I think what you’re, you’re going to get in a lot of our folks are going to get is like, first they’re going to get an understanding of what’s happening, right. and education. The second is they’re going to get a clear, easy to follow and understandable protocol with why that protocol is protocols designed for them. So so knowledge base. and that they can follow. And I think from there what they’ll do is they’ll follow the protocol and they’ll see change happen. And that’s what I saw firsthand. And that’s what we’re seeing a lot of our folks see firsthand today.

Peter Bowes: [00:37:40] I’m excited to dive into this. I can’t wait to see what the data shows and what’s to come in the coming months. Wish you all the best with it. Hopefully we will talk again because I think this this is a process, isn’t it? This is a journey for for everyone involved. But for now, thank you very much indeed.

Tyler Smith: [00:37:55] Yeah. Thanks, Peter.

Peter Bowes: [00:37:56] The Livelong Podcast is a Healthspan Media Production. I’m Peter Bowes. You can contact me through our website, livelongpodcast.com, where you’ll also find show notes for this episode.